Marie Prokopets

Iโ€™m Marie, my startup just pivoted and rebranded, AMA ๐Ÿ”ฅ

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I've had a wild ride of a career as an exec in large corporations and as a startup founder. I worked with celebrities in the alcohol industry and on $26 billion worth of M&A deals. Then I built multiple products (some of which are ๐Ÿ’€) as part of my own startup journey. Iโ€™ve won awards for my comedy writing and was named Product Hunt Maker of the Year in 2019 ๐Ÿ˜บ. Recently I pivoted my business from a document search tool to a product for IT teams to protect company documents from unauthorized access. Also, I like to meditate, burn sage, commune with nature, and collect crystals. ๐Ÿ‘‹ I'll be here on 06/10 at 11 am pt to answer any and all questions about startups, pivots, product development, remote work, personal development, transitioning from corporate to startups, writing, the future, and me ๐Ÿ”ฎ. Drop your questions below ๐Ÿ‘‡
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Dom Rodwell
Hi Marie. While much of product management is clearly focused on market-fit and delving into the needs of users, I am curious as to how you also generate ideas yourself / internally as a team - how structured or unstructured your process is for that. And how do you apply learnings from your different interests and activities to the others?
Marie Prokopets
@dom_rodwell We don't have an explicit process today to generate ideas. So it's fairly unstructured. Ideas come in the midst of customer research, and either sit in our brains, in notes from discussions, or in documents about future features or learnings from research. This isn't scalable, but it works really well for us at this stage. Eventually all the ideas are translated into a feature prioritization spreadsheet which includes engineering estimates, and then prioritized based on difficulty to build vs. the business reasons for building them. As for how I apply learnings from my different interests and activities to ideas at work, I don't do anything explicit here. I've been lucky to have interests and a career that taught me how to spot patterns quickly, how to process tons of data and come to conclusions, and to be creative. So all those things are naturally at play for me while coming up with ideas for Nira.
Matthew Quinn
Hey Marie! Did you guys do any quantitative evaluation that showed that the pivot made sense.
Marie Prokopets
Hi Matthew! Absolutely, we took tons of qualitative data (about competitors, the market, features, sales discovery calls, user tests and surveys) and made it quantitative (by counting it all and assigning values to each item) to make sure we were solving the right problem. We didn't have usage when we first started to work on our new product, so the only inputs we had were external.
Md. Ekram Hossan
This is very good initiative. But how long you can run this business?
Marie Prokopets
@badshahekram I never really think about how long to run a business. What I think about is: Have we earned the right to solve problems for our customers? I believe the answer is yes, we have, and we will continue to earn that right for many, many years to come.
Md. Ekram Hossan
@marie_prokopets Well wishes for you.
Hiten Shah
Hi @marie_prokopets! I've got a question for you. You have successfully made the transition from a corporate career where you were on track to become a seasoned executive to becoming a startup founder who has built multiple products that customers love. I'm sure you have a million learnings along the way. So, I'm really curious what your answer is to this question: What's the #1 piece of advice that you wish that you could have given your younger self before you took your first job out of college?
Marie Prokopets
Hi @hnshah! Surprising to see you here. ๐Ÿ˜น What a question, too! "What's the #1 piece of advice that you wish that you could have given your younger self before you took your first job out of college?" My first job was actually after my graduate degree 2 years post college. I would have told myself then (and I'm sure you would argue that I could tell myself this same thing today) to be more sure of myself. Even though I didn't have the experience or the specific knowledge. Being sure of myself would have helped propel me forward faster. I would have asked for more money sooner, have been more confident and likely been promoted faster, have taken bigger risks and spoken up more. What would you tell your younger self right out of college? ๐Ÿ™ƒ
Hiten Shah
@marie_prokopets thanks for indulging my question. I'd tell myself to learn how to ask other people to help you.
Jaskiran Kaur
Congratulation for you journey. Marie. I would love to know, how did you keep motivated yourself in your journey as I think your journey is so inspiring and will be so helpful for me as well as other people.
Marie Prokopets
@jaskiran_kaur Hi Jaskiran! At different points of my career, I've had different motivations. At my worst (and in my youth), my motivation was to prove people who doubted me wrong. I hit significant milestones numerous times using this approach. But it didn't fill me up and it wasn't an extremely positive motivating force. At my best - and that's where I've been at for probably a decade now - I am motivated by learning. Even mistakes and roadblocks can help motivate me, because I inevitably learn as I move through them. Things can be challenging when you're building a product and a business from the ground up. You will have doubts. You will have moments when you question what you're doing. You will have moments of extreme joy and excitement. The best way to continue forward is to have a curious mindset and continue to learn through it all. I am personally also highly motivated by forward motion. Finishing a big new feature. Getting to a milestone. And especially in solving customer problems. Plus exercising my creativity drives me forward too. And of course, I'm also motivated by sharing what I've learned. Like in this AMA :) I'm happy to help others learn from my wins, mistakes and misadventures.
Jaskiran Kaur
@marie_prokopets Thank you so much Marie, this is insightful and motivating for me.
Avinash Pinto
Hi Marie, thanks for doing this! Your last AMA round was very insightful and I learned a fair bit. I would like to ask what would your approach to user research be if your product is a tightly integrated re-imagination of a number of existing apps? The end goal is further down the line but I am not sure if I should research for the current solution - the MVP for which I have built. The idea was to first get users onboarded to then take them on a journey to something they should have.... IMO, loaded statement I guess, but how do I conduct research for this focus on the current or the future which is what the solution aims to be?
Marie Prokopets
Hi Avinash, we use customer development to address these sorts of challenges at Nira. This video explains the basics of the process:
Avinash Pinto
reddy2Go
hi Marie, more power to you on this recent pivot. whatโ€™s your take on the importance of comedy as a bridge between people in larger organisations (hierarchical disconnection) and in smaller startups (constant engagement) especially in the remote work era that weโ€™re immersed in?
Marie Prokopets
@reddy2go I love this question, thanks so much for asking it! Comedy can be a bridge between people in any organization, regardless of size or type. Comedy isn't something to purposely bring in to an organization, though. It shouldn't be forced. If you are funny, let it out at work. If you don't gravitate to comedy, then there's no need to find awkward jokes to tell. The idea is to be your authentic self, at work and in all areas of your life. I firmly believe that people should be themselves at work, or else they'll slowly become dissatisfied, leave for another job, and generally experience less happiness than they should. This was a struggle I had for years. I so wanted to be my authentic self at work. But for some reason I felt that if I let my weirdness out - my eccentricities, way of dressing outside of work, and humor - I would be shunned, skipped over for promotions, and looked down upon. This was of course as far from the truth as one could possibly get. Once I let my true self out at work, I excelled even more. This included my sense of humor (which I let out within reason, since it can be a bit raunchy), my love of writing, and dressing more like myself. The more I was myself, the closer grew to the people I worked with - in part because of our shared sense of humor. As for comedy in the remote work world, there are plenty of filters to add to your Zoom meetings that can help with that :)
Joel Hansen
Hey @marie_prokopets! Hiten's newsletter sent me here. My question for you is which other brands / communities are you keeping an eye on these days to measure yourself up against for tactics, trends and new ideas? Thanks!
Marie Prokopets
Hi @joel_hansen1! I'll be honest... I donโ€™t keep an eye on any specific brands or communities. The work I do at Nira takes up a ton of my time and energy. And I have a co-founder in Hiten who keeps up with more things than most people I know, so he usually directs me to what I should look at. I like to stay super focused on our customers and internal company needs. New ideas come from our customer research, and we're able to keep track of trends that way too since often we hear about competitors from our customers.
Christopher Ogden
Hey @marie_prokopets! I'm curious about your thoughts on highly opinionated products. Some of my favorite products and apps have a rather opinionated design, often stemming from the workflows or ideas of an idiosyncratic creator. But I often see more generic products doing a better job of winning their markets. When is "opinionated design" best used and when does it hinder growth?
Marie Prokopets
Hey @christopher_ogden1 ! The tradeoff you typically make with opinionated design is that you give users fewer choices and less control, so they do what you think is โ€œgoodโ€ for them. In our case at Nira, we actually do both and consider the fact that there is a time and place for both during product development. In fact, if you donโ€™t think like this youโ€™ll inevitably end up building the wrong thing. As an example, we built the first version of our document access product in a way that was not quite as opinionated as it is today. The reason is that by doing that, we were able to discover where we should be opinionated and where we donโ€™t need to be. With early features if your goal is to ship and learn, a non-opinionated version can be extremely valuable to unlock your next set of learnings.
Chris Muth
Hi @marie_prokopets - thanks for doing this! How do you and @hnshah divide responsibilities on the business and where do you purposefully overlap?
Marie Prokopets
Hi @chris_muth ! Early on, Hiten and I didn't divide that much because we were building the foundation of the business. Later, we ended up dividing who owned what by category, like Sales, Marketing, Product, Legal/Compliance, etc. And just because one of us owns something, it doesn't mean we won't collaborate on some of the tasks. The framework we use is simply, who is Batman and who is Robin on a given segment or set of tasks. And we also allow the responsibility splits to change over time as the organization grows. For example, Hiten might own one set of tasks, but as we scale and hire people it may move over to me. We also make sure to play on our innate skills and our knowledge base. For example, I am super detail oriented and have a lot of experience working on contracts and with lawyers, so I end up owning all things legal and compliance related.
Chris Muth
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