Or is experience/skills more sought after? For example, I know a few software engineers who don't have a college degree and learned from a bootcamp or were self-taught, but sometimes struggle on the job with things they didn't learn. But is it better to go to university for this? What do you think?
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A lot of great developers are self-taught...but I hypothesize that many of these developers had one of several advantages in their favor. (1) They began working with tech at an early age, (2) they had the financial wherewithal to focus on tech full-time if introduced at a later age, or (3) they're just really, really smart.
I'm not going to categorize myself as one of the "great developers" - but I am self-taught and I did have the advantage of working with tech from an early age. There are different ways in which beginning to work with tech young may be advantageous, but for me, and for others I've seen it seems to be about the sheer quantity of time one has to mess around.
It is much harder now to learn new technologies while maintaining other adult responsibilities (work, family) than it was during my child and teenage years.
I also think there is some advantage to having been born in a specific period of technologies' explosion. For myself and others, we started with fairly simple technology and the technology grew in complexity around us. We were there every step of the way, so it was not as seismically different as it is for someone attempting to get up to speed now.
From a personal perspective, I would note that while I am self-educated that does not mean I do not wish I had a formal education. There are areas in which I am not as strong as those with a formal education (and on the other hand, areas in which I have through hard experience become more flexible/knowledgeable than many with formal training).
I don't have evidence, but I suspect that the suggestion that formal education in technology is too quickly outdated is not entirely correct. Sure, what you learn about a particular language may be outdated relatively quickly but other areas tend to stay fairly consistent over time - for example, underlying mathematics, lambda calculus, design patterns, etc. Or, at least, they provide a basic foundation upon which one can build (e.g. knowing x design patterns will help one learn newer y patterns because you understand the reason y is an improvement over x).
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I've been in tech for over a decade, full time for the last 8 years, making really good money. I'm 100% self taught. I dropped out of community college. Real world experience holds real world value.
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@laura_vasquez95 Love the initiative! I would just build something. Anything. Then trash it and do it again. You got this!
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It depends what kind of job but a strong portfolio is more important in my experience. Nobody will ask to see a degree or question your talent if you built a successful product.
I think there is gaps on both sides. University doesn't prepare you for the actual work, but self taught doesn't prepare you for the foundational concepts and algorithms.
The most important thing is the willingness to learn. Our field changes a lot, so people should expect to be learning new things.
I believe real world experience helps more than the a degree.
I am from Romania and I fall into the category of dropouts and fully self taught developer. Had quit college after a few months of going, seeing what they are teaching and understanding that it is not for me or for what I want to do in the future. I do not regret a single bit that I had quit college and never actually needed the degree for any jobs that I was personally interested in. This is simply my experience, it depends on a lot of factors tho'!
I've been working for more than 10 years in big companies creating software used for several thousands of users. Never went to the university. I started coding when I was 14 and when it was time to start the university, the level that the university was offering was so low that I basically saw it as a waste of time. Never got a problem to get a job, completely the opposite, my linkedin inbox is flooded with job offers every day 😩
@ajimix That's great! It takes a lot of determination to be self-taught in something like programming, coding is hard!!
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University degrees just helps you land first job unless its ivy league Universities. After that its all about the experience you carry and exposure that you have from your jobs.
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Just make sure you really dive deep into a subject and not just scratch the surface. I have done a bootcamp 4 years ago and am doing just fine. Never went to school. Just make sure you keep learning. Its more about the mindset then the skills!
@matonias You're right! It's more about self-determination and the right guidance
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Technology change tase is very fast, by the time you have your degree, half of knowledge you'd have would be obsolete. It still nice to know background and why technology got there, but I believe you can find a better options to learn that spending way less money.
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