Orison

The first home battery system you simply plug in to install

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The first home battery system you simply plug in to install

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It plugs into a circuit in your house, which then feeds back power to the main bus bar and to all of the circuits in the panel. What I don't understand is how any significant load can be managed, even with their self-described load shifting technology, when typical household wiring is 12 and 14 gauge which is rated for 20 and 15 amps respectively. When you try to push more amps through the circuit the breaker will trip, and for good reason given the fire danger of overloading. There isn't a lot of information on their site about the limitations, but aside from just the capacity issue I would want to know how many amps can be delivered continuously.

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10yr ago

@jeff_nolan I am 100% willing to be convinced otherwise, but in its current incarnation, and with the scant information provided, i just can't see how this could possibly work. It is impossible, given current code, to power an entire house through a single plug - we'd have fires left, right and centre. Emergency power, perhaps, but even there you'd run up against specs in no time at all, not to mention circuits, all with their own individual breakers. The Tesla wall works because it comes infrom behind the main panel, which is where power should be distributed.

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10yr ago

Orison

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@jeff_nolan Safety is at the core of our company We will not ship until we pass national and international compliance standards such as ICE, UL and NEC. Orison is designed to never exceed the rating of the circuit or its breaker - 15A for standard US circuit. This includes scenarios such as the grid and Orison providing load to a single circuit in tandem, and therefore possibly over supplying it. This is achieved through an intelligent discharge and sense cycle which allows the circuit breaker to act like normal and trip to shutdown supply in the event of over-demand.

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10yr ago

Orison

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@andreasduess @jeff_nolan @andreasduess Orison is a pretty amazing device but it’s not meant to run an entire house with a single unit. Consumers will put several Orison units in their homes or offices on several different circuits. During normal (grid-connected) use, Orison draws power from the grid when the price is low (or from your solar when it is producing more than needed) and then delivering it when prices are at peak or the sun's not shining. It’s only during a blackout that Orison becomes the sole provider of electricity to the individual circuit that it is plugged into. So if you have six Orison units plugged into six circuits, each would self-island that circuit during a blackout and continue to power that circuit. The Powerwall is a valid approach for large houses that can afford a lot of space in the garage. However we believe that everyone irrespective of whether they live in a home, apartments or condos, rent or own should have access to the ability to save money every day.

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10yr ago

How does this work in output mode? If only plugging in with one plug does it not only provide power to one of two phases on a normal panel? Half the circuits would be ignored. Also if I'm outputting during peak to compensate, how to you sync up the phase and not really confuse appliances? These seem like big technical hurdles. I'm very curious how this works.

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10yr ago

Orison

Maker

@ryanmarr Orison is truly plug-and-play and plugs into a wall outlet not the breaker panel. This means we are in general operating on single phase circuits and don't have the issue of only powering one phase. Orison is also continuously synchronized with the grid power so that we output in harmony with the power appliances will be seeing from the grid - this also mean we provide seamless power during a grid outage event.

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10yr ago

@eric_d_clifton Thanks for the reply, however it's my understanding that most if not all households in North America are on 2 phase power, so when I plug in the Orison it will only provide parallel power on one of two phases of the home. Half of the circuits will use Orison, and the other half will not.

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10yr ago

Nice. I'll need to crunch some numbers, but right now this doesn't look like it would power a typical home for very long, in case of a power outage. The average home consumes about 1200 Watts per hour, even with bare bones appliances (lights and fridge/freezer, radio and a laptop) you're still be lucky to get a day's worth of emergency power out of this. Add a heater blower and/or pump and that would dramatically decrease.

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10yr ago

@andreasduess and the operating power requirements are just a fraction of the peak startup draw.

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10yr ago

Orison

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@andreasduess Orison is scalable. You can add as many units as you want to match your energy needs. http://orison.energy/faq/

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10yr ago

Orison

Maker

@jeff_nolan Orison supplies the energy required to meet peak startups. Since startup is short, it has little impact on total use. Note that Orison is scalable. http://orison.energy/faq/

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10yr ago

@eric_d_clifton I get that - but as a black-out insurance I can also buy a $500 natural gas generator from Home Depot and be done with it. If this is supposed to be more than a feel-good toy for the rich, it needs to address these issues. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of these kinds of products - the power grid is way too dependent on centralization. With more extreme weather on the way, we need to find ways to create resilience.

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10yr ago

Orison

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@andreasduess Orison is scalable to the point where you can have 100's of kWh if you chose to. Orison however is much more than blackout insurance, it saves you money every day by charging in off peak and discharging during peak. If you have solar Orison also allows you to access the maximum value from the energy you generate. We agree with your thoughts on decentralization it improves resilience and even helps utilities to save money!

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10yr ago

Magic 8 Balls

I like that it attempts to tackle the pricing problem with energy; the hours when the energy is used vs the price when it's cheapest to consume... I'm wondering how a consumer without solar would view it vs Tesla's power wall, since it seems like both could accommodate power outages. https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip...

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10yr ago

Orison

Maker

@treejanitor Orison gives all energy consumers control, whether you get your energy from the grid, solar, or other sources. Orison saves you money everyday not only when the grid goes down.

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10yr ago

Magic 8 Balls

@eric_d_clifton Fair enough - I noted that. How long would it take for that pricing advantage to surpass the cost of Orison itself in a city like NYC? It might be nice to see those sort of curves, maybe even regionally/locally. Or for those of us without an 'outage' solution, some indication of what it could power for how long would be useful.

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10yr ago

Orison

Maker

Hello Product Hunt, and thank you @razkarmi for hunting Orison energy storage! The issues with the environment and the future of energy have been widely spoken about. We all know that we need to change to renewable energy, but we are limited by the grid. @OrisonEnergy was born from this problem and the realization that a future powered by renewable energy is only possible through the mass adoption of stored energy systems. Orison is the first true plug-and-play energy storage system to give all consumers options the ability to choose clean energy. With Orison, we can enable a rapid shift to a clean energy grid while helping you use electricity at the optimal times without reducing quality or time of service giving you power over your energy. Simply effortless energy storage, it is designed to be a part of your daily life inside your home and/or business. Please let me know what you think. I look forward to connecting with each of you and hearing your feedback.

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10yr ago